Edward F. Ortiz Jr.

Obstacles, Roads, Happiness, Sadness, Faith

Edward F. Ortiz Jr. in 1967

Floresville, Texas

November 23, 2009

Heather Herrera

Palo Alto College

History 1302 - Fall 2009

 

INTRODUCTION
TRANSCRIPTION
ANALYSIS
TIMELINE
BIBLIOGRAPHY

 

INTRODUCTION

Edward F. Ortiz Jr. was born on October 16, 1946 in
Floresville, Texas to Georgia F. and Edward E. Ortiz. Edward has lived in San Fernando, Los Angles for thirty seven years and has two brothers and four sisters. Edward attended Sacred Heart School, Junior High school and graduated from Floresville High School in May of 1966. Edward was a painter for short time, carpet installer, and while in the service he’s M.O.S. Military Occupational Specialty was quartermaster, where he worked on showers, laundry machines, and supplying the bases and hospital during Vietnam. He also learned shore man crane operations and was a driver to transfer people. Edward married Bernice Trevino Ortiz in May of 1967 before deploying to the Vietnam War. Edward and his wife had four children- Rene, Rebecca, Eddie, and Tracy. Edwards’s two boys passed away in a car accident when Rene was eleven and Edward was three. Edward divorced in 1981 and had two children Anita Garcia and Christina Ortiz in San Fernando, California. In 2006, by common law, Edward married Pam K. Lumley. Edward considers himself to be a Democrat. His favorite hobbies include being outdoors, fishing, hunting, camping, and any sports. The interviewee’s connection to me is a distant cousin and my grandfather’s best friend.

 

 

TRANSCRIPTION

How was High School life?
Great I wish I was doing it all over again. The learning experience, some take education as a next step, others just to get by. I'll always remember High School by pictures, events, and talking to old friends. Now and days going back, to football games I sit their looking at the teenagers that are going to graduate, I think how many would progress or continue their education. Not everybody wants their educations. It's hard to find a job without degrees, a good job with education is always going to be there, but it's not for everybody. Compromising, identifying, and hard times it takes.

Edward Ortiz playing football at Floresville High School (circa 1963-4)

Why did you join the armed forces directly after graduating high school?
No work, small town no work. Their was two types of joining the military, first was voluntary and second was the draft. All in all most friends joined the service. Six guys joined the same time I did on 6-6-66.

What did your family think of you joining the service and going to war?
Like any parents, they were scared, but happy. Their was not much they could do, but send their blessings with me to Vietnam and they prayed that I would come back safe and sound.

Edward Ortiz In Floresville, Texas (1948)

Can you describe how basic training was?
Basic training was very hard, strict, and they were always on you. For training, I was stationed in Ft. Polk Louisiana for eight weeks. We were disciplined to obey and follow rules day and night to make us better. It was a lot of training; they would push you to your limits, and even wake you up in the middle of the nights. We learned how to obey all commands, from the top to bottom. If we didn't obey commands, there were punishments. It was very physical a lot didn't make it because they wouldn't pay attention and would have to start over again. If you were not in physical shape, they would release you. Not obeying they would dishonorable discharge.

How did you feel about your first unit deployment platoons orders being cancelled?
I really didn't think anything, because I was still aware of going. It was just a matter of when were we going.

How did you feel when you found out that you were being deployed as an individual and not with your platoon?
I didn't really feel a certain way, things happen. I never got to see the same people again. You really don't become friends, because you don't remember.

What was your occupation and what were your daily duties in the war?
My M.O.S Military Occupational Specialty was Quarter Master, where I worked on supplying the bases and hospital requirements during Vietnam, operations such as setting up connections, showers, laundry machines. I also did shore man crane operations and was a driver for Vietnam motor pools to transfer during Vietnam. We were in contract with a large manufactory. Outside the medical perimeter, we would transport food, one day we got attacked for food, and they blew up our ammonization.

Did you write war letters and did you keep them?
At the time when I was married to my wife, I would write her, sometimes I would write my parents. You miss everyone; you're lonely, and scared. I didn't have as much fear as those in combat because I was usually in the hospital zone along with some generals.

Did you have any communication with your wife, while gone to the Vietnam War?
The only communication I had with my wife at the time was when I had leave time after six months in Vietnam. Sidney Australia and Hawaii were safe spots to visit so I meet her in Hawaii and then returned back to complete my tour.

How was the environment/street scene during Vietnam and were you able to sleep comfortably in war?
Drugs such as Marijuana, hash, opium were easy to get, little kids would be saying GI want some cigarettes and stored inside were drugs. People live in sheds, no toilets; there are few that had homes. For us as Americans to see this was wow. A barrack consists of 32 people. The Vietnamese would attack at night, to be safe we would have to go to the bunkers at night while helicopters would fly around the sky.

Where you ever injured in war and how?
Injured, no scared yes, every time we were outside we were armed because we didn't know if and when were going to be attacked. To transport sometimes it would take 20-30 miles by vehicle. It would take 2-3 men for operations, it was dangerous, and you never went by yourself.

Edward Ortiz (on right) with Richard Saldana in Fort Lee- Virginia

Did the thought of being killed ever cross your mind, and how did you deal with such thoughts?
I had a lot of fear but you still do what you have to do. When it was my time to go there were two plane carriers loaded with GI's. The first plane to land with soldiers had first got hit. The second plane was not allowed to land after this hit, which was the plane that I was on; we would just circle the place. Different people were going and coming daily, those were happy to be going back and those who were sad to be going. Especially fearful that we hadn't landed yet and the attacking had already began. The happier group left leaving with drinking, cheerful drinking up a storm, especially those who had served in combat and action.

Did you receive any medals?
Medals in being in a foreign country and beyond recognition, but not everyone is in infantry in the military.

What is one memory you will always remember form the Vietnam War?
Memories that I made it back safe and sound. I will remember transporting, also the operating rooms, seeing heads blown, seeing drapes knowing the soldier is dying. Knowing that you're going to make it and others aren't. Seeing adult in diapers, as vegetables, not having a mind, screaming and hollering. I'll always remember everyday going to work and having to see all that, all of them always their. "What I saw was enough."

Edward Ortiz (on left) in Germany- 1968

How was life after war and after serving your three years?
After Vietnam, Germany put an icing to my ending of service. It was a rough road with ups, downs, good, bad, but it's what you make of it. The rough gets real rough, if you have a lot of problems, then it's hard. When you're self employed, you're blessed and make the best, from the military I've learned not to be defeated and learn to keep trying. If you start jeopardizing, you'll have problems. Personally, myself, I've had a good living but a very bumpy journey.

Did you have any regrets in joining the service?
Not at all when you volunteer, do your best! I did not want to re-enlist. The Military was very good and beneficial. Although, if your wife was expecting or your family was ill you didn't have a say so, only say was to say good bye. Your family was well taken care of. After my last year was up, they asked me if I would stay and train the new ones. I said no because I wanted to come back home and have my bones attached.

Do you stay in contact with anyone in your platoon today or anyone that was with you in the three years of service?
I would like to get in contact with two people. One from boot camp his name is Alex Jimenez and Richard Saldana. I would like to see what happened and see what they did with their lives.

Do you share your experiences with anyone and with whom?
When people ask, I share; a lot don't like to talk. I don't want to recall seeing those dying in the hospital zone that I would work in. I could remember them saying help me, help me GI. The military is not all just war, you get to see other countries, it's seeing something you're not practical to in a different style.

Edward Ortiz (in center) with drinking buddies in Germany (1968)

How do you feel about war today?
War today… To have our freedom yes, I wouldn't want a communist to invade. I would do it again, let's go; to fight for our country. I would hope everyone would think the same. You can't compare a country to the United States, anyone who says something bad about our home, then get up and go, leave it. If there is another, I need to see it first. What we have built here has to be strong. Men and women need to defend our country. Like John F. Kennedy said "And so, my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country."

Is there anything else you would like to add to this interview?
Knowing what I went threw, knowing my grandparents, parents, some kids are gone, theirs a lot good and a lot bad; but it shows how you handle your life. Some will listen others won't and you can only do your best. Keep trying; life is not that easy, it's not handed in a Pedi stool, and not all peaches and cream. Work day and night to make a better life. You wish you could change then but not now. I don't regret and wouldn't change any of it. Enjoy the rest of your life until the good lord takes us.

 

 

ANALYSIS

From the oral history project, I learned a tremendous amount of history during the Vietnam War. The personal stories that were shared from the interviewee made this project most memorable. The most important points made in this interview were discussed within each question and responses, containing war back then compared to now. As well as the obstacles and challenges phased by deciding to join the service directly after high school. An important point was the balancing act of family while gone to Vietnam. I learned a lot about Edward's upbringing, teenage years, and current life by doing this interview, which I did not know before.

My views on this topic did change due to this interview because it provided me with a better grasp and knowledge of understanding this time period. It made me realize that not everyone that goes to war is in combat and every position in the service is just as important. Everyone is fighting for the ultimate victory, but each job is different and all are important in serving for our country. My interviewee's memoir is Obstacles, Roads, Happiness, Sadness, and Faith. He said obstacles to get over the hump, roads to follow, and with happiness and sadness, you have to have faith in god. The interviewee expressed his feelings by remembering what had gone on while at Vietnam and during his three years by expressing the good and the bad.

Facial appearance was sad and disturbed when he was recalling the soldiers in the hospitals, he stated what he say was enough. He also showed excitement, when he was telling me about his last year in the service, which was spent in Germany. He said, "Germany put an icing to my ending of service". He was enthused to tell and share his memories with me. These stories taught me to look at different situations in different aspects pertaining to this topic. I now know there are many considerations as there are today in joining the service. It as well taught me and helped me to learn a little bit more on the draft being a factor during this time. I attempted to verify the stories told to me by imagining how it was like back then at war, the wonders, the curiosities, and the fears. I also attempted to verify locations and descriptions discussed in the interview by using the internet search and by reading a few websites on Vietnam War.

The benefits of learning the past through the oral history process is to gain a knowledgeable sense of respect and admiration also to compare and contrast past to the future. The drawback of learning the past through oral history, is that our society today is so different from back then, that it doesn't allow us to fully put our feet in their shoes and witness the experiences they had. Overall, this is an effective way to learn about the past because history will live on forever and stories and memories should be shared and taught to the world for a better learning and understanding.

 

 

TIMELINE

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

ANNOTATED BIBLIOGRAPHY

List a minimum of FIVE sources. There must be links to each of the sources within the transcription. Consult Citing Web Sources MLA Style for further help. Utilize a minimum of three sources from U.S. History Matters: A Student Guide to U.S. History Online. Here are five examples of annotated sources plus a source for photos/documents.

 

 

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