Joseph "Pepe" Moses Butcher

Problems hit you, hit them back.

Joe M. Butcher (1945)

San Antonio, Texas

October 27, 2010

Eric Joe Butcher

Palo Alto College

History 1302 - Fall 2010

 

INTRODUCTION
TRANSCRIPTION
ANALYSIS
TIMELINE
BIBLIOGRAPHY

 

INTRODUCTION

On October 22, 1923, Joe Moses Butcher was born in Monterrey, Mexico to Joe Fox and Francisca C. Butcher. Before he could even walk, he and the rest of his family, including his five sisters moved to
Eagle Pass, TX. He grew up in Eagle Pass during one of the most difficult times in U.S history, the Great Depression. His father, who was an educated draftsman before the Depression, was put into janitorial work where he earned 10 dollars a day to support his family of 8. It was then decided that Joe was to drop out of the seventh grade to go work odd jobs to help supplement their low income. He started out at a clothing store, sweeping and cleaning windows. When Pearl Harbor was attacked, he like every American male at the time wanted to go and do his part. He wasn't 18 yet, and his mother wouldn't sign the consent forms, so he had to wait until it was his turn to be drafted. At the age of 19 he was ordered by the U.S government to report for duty to the U.S Army Air Corps in 1943. He served as a fireman all throughout the Allied European campaign, and after the war signed on for 2 more years, finishing out his service in Honolulu, Hawaii in 1946. After serving as a fireman in fierce combat situations, he was told that he was too short to serve with the San Antonio Fire Department when he returned from overseas. He worked wherever he could until he married Eva Martinez on March 8, 1950 in San Antonio, and found a job driving for VIA Metropolitan. Joe would watch San Antonio grow for the next 30 years from the seat of a VIA bus driver's seat. With his first wife he had four children, 3 girls and 1 boy. In 1980 his first wife, Eva passed away from cancer, and on March 8, 1981 in San Antonio he re-married to Josefina G. Butcher, and had 2 more children. He decided to retire in 1985 after almost three decades of service to the city. He has been a stout Catholic and Democrat all his life, and enjoys fishing on his off time. He lives in a comfortable middle class neighborhood, and is proud to have served his country during the war, and is even more proud of seeing all six of his children graduate from high school, and go on to college, whether they finished or not. Joe Moses Butcher is my father. The topic my father was more interested in talking about was the Great Depression, although we talked briefly about his experiences in World War II. The 2 hour interview over the Great Depression and his experiences in WWII took place in the house where I grew up in, at the kitchen table on October 27, 2010 around 12:30 in the afternoon.

 

TRANSCRIPTION

What were your parents like when you were a child?
They were kind and understanding.

Were your parents educated?
My father was. He had a degree in Mechanical Engineering but couldn't find a job during the Depression. My mother was raised in Mexico and had little schooling.

What kind of work did your father do?
Before the Depression he was a draftsman, but since there was no work, he had to get a job as a janitor at the local high school. Up until the Great Depression I remember him getting ready to go to Freemason meetings at least every other week. Before he died he had been contracted to come up with a layout for an air force base.

Joe Fox Butcher and wife Francisca with children Elba, Alma, and Joe (baby) with the family car circa 1927

What kind of discipline did they utilize when you misbehaved?
My father was more talented, he would talk to us, but my mother was different. If she had a broom stick in hand, you better run 'cause she would hit you with it if you were close, or throw it at you.

What was like growing up in Eagle Pass?
It was a small town so everybody knew everyone. We only had one fire truck, 1 small hospital, and 4 or 5 sheriffs. One of those sheriffs was an uncle of mine who died in World War 1 after being gassed.

Did you grow up on a farm? Or in an urban environment?
We grew up in a neighborhood on the edge of town of Eagle Pass, Texas.

Father and friend from outfit in France 1944. Pictures of my dad hanging out in Honolulu, Hawaii after the war in 1946

What did your meals look like? What did you eat?
We had the best cook in the world, even if we just had beans and tortillas, my mom was great in preparing food. One day out of the week we would have a little meat that my mom would make a soup out of. As a matter of fact I recall this one time my mother asked me to go and grab a chicken by the neck. The chickens came in from a hole from our neighbors. I listened to mama, and I went and grabbed it. I held onto it until it stopped moving. My mom boiled the chicken in hot water and took the feathers off. I ate good that night.

What did you wear?
Pretty much the same old clothes over and over again. Especially after our house was robbed, and the clothes donated to me were these old overalls that I wore everyday because it was all I had.

What kind of activities did you do as a child?
Played baseball and different 'boy games' like marbles and such.

Portrait of Joe F. Butcher in uniform he sent to his mother in 1943 Joe F. Butcher with mother Francesca C. Butcher at a wedding in 1979

Did you go to school?
Yes, until I had to drop out because we didn't have the money for me to keep on going.

Were your parents able to get you everything you wanted?
NO! It was really really hard times.

Do you recall any government assistance you received?
Yes, the NRA, National Relief Association helped with milk, some groceries, and some clothes.

Letter to His Sister Elba written May 26, 1945 telling her in good health.

What are you best memories from your childhood?
My father would take me hunting since I was about 12 years old up to about 15 years old. After that I went hunting rabbits every Saturday by myself.

What would be your worst memories?
Trying to stay in school because I was poorly dressed. Not having proper clothes to wear made me feel like I didn't belong there. My biggest heartbreak came with losing my father after I went into the service and not being able to come back to see him again.

When you dropped out school, why did you have to?
I had gotten these sores on my arms that wouldn't heal and the clothes I wore and the shoes were pretty shabby and old. The circumstances weren't right for me to go.

Sketch of Joe M. Butcher in Paris, France in 1944

When you heard that Pearl Harbor had been attacked how did you feel?
Very angry the way they attacked Pearl Harbor in such a cowardly fashion.

What made you join the Army?
I was ready to join but my mom and dad wouldn't let me because I was only 17 years old, when I turned 18 years old I could join but I had to wait my turn to be drafted by then. I was drafter at 19 years old- took basic training and trained for job I was to do. I landed in England Oct. 7, 1943 and turned 20 years on Oct. 22, 1943.

What was your first impression of life outside of Eagle Pass?
We used to live in San Antonio, Texas when I was very young, so I knew more less about big cities even when I was young.

What made the greatest impression on you in Europe?
People driving on the left side of the road, and British laborers digging ditches in a suit wearing ties. Before we landed in Liverpool, England they made all the soldiers on the ship wear a tie.

How old were you during the Great Depression?
I was six or seven.

Did you understand why your family didn't have any money?
Yes, I knew everyone was poor so we knew better than to ask for anything.

What was the one thing you loved the most/hated the most during the World War?
The most I loved about the war was that I was going to travel. The most I hated was leaving my sisters and my father and mother. I missed them all a lot. As a matter of fact I lost my father right after we landed in England. He passed away on October 18, 1943. The Army wouldn't let me come home because they were preparing for the invasion of France. So that was another hard blow while I was overseas.

 

 

Recent picture of Joe M. Butcher

ANALYSIS

Interviewing my father was a candid look into the life of a man who is usually rather reserved. It was a great opportunity to learn more about where I come from, and more importantly learn some of the most valuable memories my father has kept with over his 87 years of living. It was interesting to see what made my father the way he is: a strong minded, stick to your guns if you know you're right, always do the right thing kind of guy. If there were more stand-up guys like him around, the world wouldn't be in the peril it is in now. The most important points throughout the interview was the realization that my father took it really hard losing his own father while he was overseas. My father also stressed how poor his family actually was, but made sure that I understood that although they didn't have much they didn't lack anything. It was interesting to learn that my grandfather was a Freemason who attended meetings at the local chapter every week. I already knew that my father grew up really poor, that's where I got my frugality ethics from, but I did realize that my father has been through more than I ever will go through in my own lifetime. Do good, make right, look forward is what I would have to say my six word memoir is going to have to be after talking to my father. My father's is problems hit you, hit them back. His whole life he has faced adversity and each time he's only came out stronger. My father expressed himself freely and openly, only getting sentimental when talking about the loss of his father. Again, I learned from the stories that many of us today think we have it hard with the way the economy is, but the truth is we haven't seen anything quite like those of my father's time have seen. As far as verifying what my father had told me, I simply used old family documents and the backs of pictures, my father has never told a lie it seems, and I wouldn't have any reason to doubt his stories. The benefit to doing a project like this is learning not only about the events that shaped the lives of those who lived before us, but reliving the feelings they felt, and attempting to picture their time through their eyes in our minds. This is a fantastic way to get a hands-on, fly on the wall account of people's lives and how they were affected by the events that pulsate in our history books.

 

 

TIMELINE

 

 

Joe M. Butcher at his home on Las Palmas Dr, San Antonio, TX 1975 Joe M. Butcher at his home on Las Palmas Dr, San Antonio TX 1979

 

 

ANNOTATED BIBLIOGRAPHY

  • Texas Escapes Online Magazine: Travel and History has an extensive collection of annotated photographs of twentieth century Texas. Included in the collection are historical images of courthouses, churches, schoolhouses, banks, jails, cemeteries, gas stations, and water towers. Website Content Copyright ©1998-2008. Texas Escapes - Blueprints For Travel, LLC. All Rights Reserved.

  • Cost-of-Living Calculator. The calculator uses the Consumer Price Index to do the conversions between 1913 and the present. The source for the data is the Bureau of Labor Statistics. The Consumer Price Index reflects the cost of items relative to a specific year. The American Institute for Economic Research. P.O. Box 1000. Great Barrington, Massachusetts. 01230.

  • Oral History Projects. Palo Alto College student Maria Chavez project on Antonio Alavarez. This Oral History Project was completed in the Fall semester of 2002 as a requirement for History 1302 class.

  • VIA Metropolitan Transit. VIA Metro's main information website where routes, informtaion about how to take the bus, and other important information is shared with bus riders in the San Antonio area it serves. VIA Metro Trans. San Antonio, Texas.

  • Amalgamated Transit Union Local 694 Transit Union my Father, Joe M. Butcher belongs to. ATU Local 964, San Antonio, Texas.

  • Photographs and/or documents on this website were provided by Joe Moses Butcher.

     

     

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